"Many members of the Agile movement need to learn when to turn down the revolutionary, evangelical rhetoric, and when to start catching bees with honey, particularly when they have a loud/influential voice."
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(Some) Agilistas: Still Not Yet Lean Thinkers - Martin Burns: PM PoV
As someone familiar with the Agile Manifesto, but not familiar with Lean, I found Martin’s post and follow up to my comment extremely challenging, in a good way.
